In the new book Amy Ferris and I co-edited,
Dancing at the Shame Prom, twenty seven brave women share deeply personal stories of a shame that held them back, and how they became empowered by letting it go. This book is only the beginning of an ongoing movement. We plan to continue this conversation in workshops around the world (
Woodstock NY this October,
San Miguel, Mexico Feb 2013,
Costa Rica, June, 2013) Amy and I plan to drag shame out of the closet and eradicate it from the planet. In order to do that, we need to bring men into the conversation. In the next few months, we'll be featuring a series of interviews with some very interesting men.
Below is my interview with Sean Strub, filmmaker, author, activist, founder of
POZ magazine ( for the HIV positive community) and
Mamm magazine (for
women impacted by breast and gynecological
cancers). Sean's accomplishments are too many to list here, so I included his bio at the bottom. Here are his thoughts.
Can you tell us a little bit about your life path, and what
led you to it?
I grew
up Catholic in Iowa, influenced by the social justice tradition in the
church, as well as civic-minded feminists on my paper route, and became
an activist at early age, protesting the Vietnam War, advocating
feminism and progressive causes and, eventually, LGBT rights. Most of
my adult life I've been engaged in the HIV/AIDS epidemic; I acquired HIV
around 1980, when I was 22.
How do you, personally, define the word shame?
Shame
is a secret we carry that hurts oneself more than it hurts others.
Shame doesn't exist on its own; it is a symptom of the mind's management
of trauma.
Women seem to carry shame, and let it make them small in the
world. Do you think men process or carry shame differently than women?
I'm
not very good about generalizing differences between men and women, but
I think there are many different ways people carry shame, or how it
gets expressed in their life. How shame is managed is important, so I
suspect there are lessons to be learned from all genders.
In your experience, how does shame affect the men in our
society?
Traditional
constructs of masculinity, whether expressed by a men, women, trans or
intersexed persons, carry expectations about what constitutes shame. It
seems that at times the most acceptable masculine emotion is around
anger, dominance or violence; these are outward expressions of a deeper
inner pain that has often (and destructively) been repressed by expected
masculine norms.
The women who wrote for Dancing at the Shame Prom are role models and leaders in society. Many of them became successful
either in spite of, or because of, the shame they carried. In other words, they
were able to turn poison into medicine. Has Shame played a role in your own
life, and in setting you on your life path?
Enormously
so. My entire life has been a struggle over my physical corpus, my
body, and how it was violated as a child. The traumas I experienced
(namely, but not entirely, physical and sexual abuse) were more defining
to my character, life and accomplishments than anything else. Whether
it is about sexual freedoms, reproductive choice, combating a virus,
shaking off Catholicism, they all ultimately boil down to who is in
charge here, who is making the decisions that so profoundly affect my
body. My lifelong commitment to social justice activism was shaped to a
large degree by traumas, and this sense of a lack of control over my
body, that I experienced as a child. Trauma, whether it is from
physical, psychological or sexual abuse at the hands of another, or
whether it is from an incident or life transition, like the loss of a
loved one, divorce, serious accident or even loss of a job or
relationship, is shame's evil twin. Where there is one, if you dig deep
enough, you'll usually find the other.
Can shame ever be a good thing?
Per
my previous answer, I would turn it around and ask can trauma ever be a
good thing? One of the most wonderful aspects of being is our
remarkable ability to learn from every kind of experience in life and,
if we're looking for it, we can usually make sure some of the things we
learn are good things. So shame isn't something I would recommend, nor
would I recommend trauma, but they are both parts of every life. I
don't think anyone exits this mortal coil without having experienced
them to some degree. How we react to and handle them is what is
important.
We can also impose shame on ourselves, in reaction to specific acts
or attitudes, but even those are typically underlain by traumas that
make our minds work the way they work, which makes us do the things we
do.
What is on your personal “dream-agenda” for the future?
Recognizing
greed as a disease that should be treated as a mental health
condition. Requiring all students to be continuously enrolled from K
through 12 in ethics, civics, art, music, nutrition and sustainable
gardening classes.
Amy Ferris and I thank you so much for participating, Sean, for your thoughtful answers, and mostly for the work you do in the world.
Take a few minutes to watch Sean's short film, HIV Is Not a Crime.
Sean's BIO:
Sean Strub is well known as an activist,
writer and entrepreneur. Sean has founded
many successful fundraising, publishing and
marketing organizations, virtually all in
support of progressive social change efforts.
He founded
POZ in 1994. Strub's companies
have also launched
POZ en Español,
Mamm (for
women impacted by breast and gynecological
cancers) and
Milford Magazine (a regional
title distributed in the Delaware River Highlands
area of northeast Pennsylvania).
He has written extensively on corporate social
responsibility, smart growth and land development
issues, direct marketing and AIDS, among
other topics. Sean co-authored, with Dan
Baker and Bill Henning,
Cracking The Corporate
Closet, (Harper Business, 1995) and co-
authored, with Steve Lydenberg and Alice
Tepper Marlin, the seminal guide to corporate
social responsibility,
Rating America's
Corporate Conscience, (Addison-Wesley,
1987).
Sean's involvement in the social responsibility
and ethical investment movements dates to
the early 1980's, when he worked with Alumni
Against Apartheid and the Harvard Endowment
for Divestiture through his direct marketing
firm which specialized in social change and
mass marketed fundraising techniques. Direct
mail campaigns created by Sean have been
labeled "slick" by
The Wall Street Journal, "highly
sophisticated" by
The New York Times,
and "inventive and unusual" by
Business
Week.
Strub has also produced theatre and large-scale
fundraising events. In 1992, at the Perry
Street Theatre in New York, he debuted his
production of
The Night Larry Kramer Kissed
Me, written by and starring David Drake.
The Obie Award-winning hit became one of
the longest running one-person Off-Broadway
shows ever.
In 1990, Strub was a Democratic candidate
for the US Congress from New York's 22nd
congressional district, running as an openly
(but incidentally) gay/HIV+ man. He was defeated
by a former member of Congress by fewer than
600 votes.
He has received numerous awards and honors
from AIDS organizations, community and professional
groups, including the 1995 AIDS Action Foundation's
National Leadership Award, the 1996 Cielo
Latino Companero award from the Latino Commission
on AIDS and Los Angeles-based Being Alive's
Spirit of Hope award in 1997.
A native Iowan, Sean attended Georgetown
and Columbia Universities. He lives in Milford,
Pennsylvania and New York City.